Re: [BTSS] Re: New Rules

Also, trying to divine company motives for army lists between two
different factions is hard enough; never mind two different games. I
guarantee you that Skaven are not even an afterthought in the SoB
design process. GW only admitted this year that 40K was basically
putting WHFB out of business and they're struggling to find a way to
advance the latter game overall. Unfortunately for them (and those of
us who like Fantasy), I don't think big explosions like Storm of Magic
are going to be the answer. But that's OT.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Thomas Kohler <shneeble@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Untrue.
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> Skaven don't sell well, so they're doing everything they can. If it was all about ego, why weren't they in the fantasy boxed set until this latest edition?
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> Why do they give skavens broken rules? Because out of the all WH armies, the skavens are the only one that's really GW's IP. All the rest are just taken from old horror stories and Tolkien tales: dwarfs, elves, vampires. Even skeleton armies have been invented many moons ago before GW existed.
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> When you dig to the bottom it it comes to this: pride and ego. Their only real invention yet no one wants them.
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> Listen -
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> I'm just as griping about the rest of us as far as how much the Sisters are awful. However, I don't know one Blood Angels player who saw the WD codex and said "Wow! That's amazing!" In fact, it was bland, terrible, and didn't really have a whole lot.
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> Now fast forward to when their codex came out. They're amazing. They can do just insane things. Their codex looks nothing like the WD one. I am not sure on the Chaos Warriors one, so I can't comment on it as I didn't see it.
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> Let me set this straight for all who really want to make comparisons on the self fulfilling prophecy bit - from one who worked there.
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> Marines, make money. They're the number one. The flagship. They make a ton. It's why their the easiest to use, and have the most flavors. They're the most forgiving.
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> The second on the list, is Chaos, and it's way behind marines.
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> The third is Eldar. They're way behind Chaos.
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> Then, there are the rest, and it all drops off steeply to a point where they're all small and pale in comparison sales wise.
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> If they pushed something other than marines, maybe, just maybe, it would work out well enough. However, that's really not going to happen. Ever.
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> Grey Knights, even while they're marines, were fringe, and didn't do well at all. And yet, even though they were a poorly bought army, they got an amazing codex. DE have been off the map forever (and yet, were still one of the most tournament winning armies out there) and they got a smashing new codex.
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> Sisters haven't gotten a codex in forever and they really didn't even need one. I'd argue that we still have the ability with our last codex to hang with just about anyone.
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> However, to put this in perspective for you - look at Skaven. They're the worst selling army that GW has, period. And yet, they always come out with an amazingly powerful, screams of broken all over the place codex. Why? So that it sells models.
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> So next time you think that because models don't sell means that an army will get squatted, just remember that if it were the case, Skaven would have been gone years ago.
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> I agree entirely. I don't want to harp on that "space marines get all the cool stuff" but seriously space marines get all the cool stuff. Its why I really think I am going to laugh my ass off when black templars come out and have absolutely awesome witch-hunting gear, before battle prayers that are totally game breaking, and other awesome goodies ;x
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> Regardless: Sisters don't make money because I think GW has a pretty self-fulfilling prophecy of failure for sisters. We were denied plastics because "we werent popular" and we weren't popular because we were entirely metal. Then C:WH came out we had a SINGLE white dwarf issue when most armies get 2-3 covering their codex. With the price hikes constantly making sisters more and more expensive why should -anyone- care about starting sisters? Literally I have managed to, purely by telling them the truth, turn away SO MANY aspiring sisters by saying "well its around 50 for the sisters box...12 for the heavy flamer and you want the meltas and thats a random blister for 12 as well...oh and the rhino so that comes to around 130 for one squad".
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> I agree entirely that GW isnt using these as playtests and anything who thinks they are has never been a playtester >_> I will certainly send an email or two, and maybe a letter, to their respective departments in hopes of giving someone a "stern talking too" :P
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> But seriously...the first half has no images of new models o_O Sisters are not even on the shelves anymore in most stores, asides the blisters. So will they put out pre-orders before part 2 for new models or what? I am really surprised we haven't heard ANYTHING about models. Plus...there have been lists of augusts "order" list of models and sisters aren't on it :/
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> --- In battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com, <andrewm9@...> wrote:
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>> The grey Knighsts didn't get a crap WD codex first though. As the almighty favored space marines they got cool stuff. In order to get feedback you need an outlet. How exactly is GW going to get that in a legitimate understandable format. Having beta-tested for a few rpg's I know that game company ask for feedback in a concise and often pre-arranged format. GW is unlikley to do anyting of the kind. If they do I will gladly give it and be constructive about it.
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>> Sisters don't make money becuase they have been politely ignored for a long time with no support. No articles, no love in supplements, no plastic miniatures, and continuous price rises in the existing goods all add to this. Its basically a self fulfilling prophecy. They won't support becuase they don't sell and they don't sell becuase there is no support.
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>> ---- Thomas Kohler <shneeble@...> wrote:
>> > Since the only frame of reference we have is the Blood Angels, how close to the White Dwarf release was the BA's?
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>> > Not even. Â Nowhere near close.
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>> > Just because they didn't ask for it doesn't mean that they're not looking. Â I know Sisters aren't a big money maker for them, but neither were GK's and they did a nice update to them.
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>> > I think that whenever we get a new rules set it will be infinitely better than this.
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