Re: [BTSS] petition to Games Workshop

2nd edition had crazy stats for heroes but the rules didn't favor them the way 5th edition does. It usually took only about four or five models in combat with a hero to even out the combat. Sure, the first few were likely boned, but +1 for every extra guy added. up. 5th edition heroes strike before the puds and don't have to worry about the numbers.

Moreover, 2nd edition units didn't have to clump up in a hurry to die, they could stay where they were and wait for the hero to come to them - in the next combat.

Models like Kharn and the Avatar had insane abilities, but they could be managed to some extent by mobbing them or just making them take several turns to eat a cheap unit.

On the other side of the coin, it was easier to kill even the toughest heroes then; I remember playing a kid who had every Blood Angel hero made - and not much else. I just played my Ravenwing Landspeeders and shot them off the board in a ridiculous hurry. Pop-up attacks for the win! Assault Cannons did d10 wounds in those days and got three sustained fire dice! Even the Avatar could go down with reasonable rolls to one shot.

--- In battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Kohler <shneeble@...> wrote:
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> I find it very interesting that people are considering the game to be going the "hero-hammer" route anymore. As one who has played my fair share of games against new codexes, some, for sure, have harder heroes than most. For instance, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, they have rough guys. The Necrons? Meh.
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> And they're simply not as good as they were in second. In second ed, I could have three characters wipe out virtually everything on the other side of the table, however, I also watched them die in droves to twin-linked heavy bolters. Anyone who thought that heroes were too powerful then was just silly.
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> From: gordon nichols <gsteelwraith@...>
> To: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [BTSS] petition to Games Workshop
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> 6 or so months before the new edition arrives it seems silly to push for
> > a revision, since we don't know how 6th Edition is going to shake up the
> > existing order or whether what might currently seem underpowered will be
> > improved by new rules.
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> Considering the power boost being bestowed upon the other armies, I sincerely doubt they are planning to tone down any army. If anything, we're seeing the rebirth of 'Hero 'Hammer', of Second Ed. vintage, where one can have a cheesy army simply by buying the newest toys. We SoB players have to win on superior generalship, rather than having the newest and coolests units, because they ain't coming. The Necrons have recieved yet more brand new models to make them the cheesiest of the cheddar, the Space Wolves recieved their new characters and the Thunderwolf cav, and yet somehow they couldn't throw us a bone. Granted, we didn't get Squatted, but we haven't got squat since Fourth Edition came out, and all our main models are of Second Ed. vintage. Every other army has been retooled at least twice in that time.
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> --- On Tue, 5/1/12, christopher <genobreaker69@...> wrote:
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> From: christopher <genobreaker69@...>
> Subject: Re: [BTSS] petition to Games Workshop
> To: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 8:29 AM
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> Is anyone still interested in getting in touch with GW about working on new Sisters codex and models? Also, what ideas do you guys have for how the Acts of Faith should work and should there be any new special characters?
> --- In battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com, ShinyBlueThing <shiny_blue_thing@> wrote:
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> > 6 or so months before the new edition arrives it seems silly to push for
> > a revision, since we don't know how 6th Edition is going to shake up the
> > existing order or whether what might currently seem underpowered will be
> > improved by new rules.
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> > On 08/12/2011 12:18, Roland Fejes-Magory wrote:
> > > Or you write a template mail that gets sogned by everyone to show our numbers and a unified front.
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> > > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > On 2011.12.08., at 12:48, "jack98sparrow"<jack98sparrow@> wrote:
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> > >> You talk about a petition. It would be nice to at least find an Email to send to or either a group email to GW,(which may get lost in their mix)or send a boiler plate email individually, or both. But one time sending a demand may require follow-ups and multiple reminders.
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> > >> Its like a protest. You need to be a nuisance until there is actual movement.
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> > >> Mike
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> > >> --- In battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Kohler<shneeble@> wrote:
> > >>> I can tell you from my own personal experience, that there's no real reason to petition. Number one, it's not like we're saying anything that they don't know, and two, when the official codex comes (and it will eventually), there will be plastics with it.
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> > >>> From: fushigi<fushigithedruid@>
> > >>> To: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 7:13 AM
> > >>> Subject: [BTSS] petition to Games Workshop
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> > >>> recently I have talked to a good friend and a fellow 40k player. he suggested since we, the Battle Sisters players, are disappointed with the lack of love Games Workshop is giving us, to start a petition to get A) official codex and B) plastic models.
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> > >>> he said since battle sisters do not have plastic models is part of the reason why there is no complete battle force set like most of the other armies. since we have such a fairly large group of SoB players and supporters, we can start up one to circulate through the internet and eventually send to GW.
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> > >>> with the last 5 WD issues we have been getting some love, but not enough for us as a whole. let us be a voice for the hundreds, maybe thousands of SoB players around the world. let our voice be heard and let GW we want more recognition as a respectable army.
> > >>> we may not be as popular as Space Marines, or necrons or any other army.
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> > >>> let our voice be heard!!
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> > >>> Fushigi, proud SoB player
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