Kim,
CoE is Clash of Empires by Great Escape games. Interesting to note that CoE is the second most commented ancient wargaming rules set (after WAB) per the WAB Forum pages and postings. Lots of player comments and CoE coverage on the WAB Forum. Plus CoE has their own blog site.
CoE site : http://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/clash-of-empires
WAB Forum for CoE: http://wabforum.co.uk/ Go to Clash of Empires section.
Michael aka WR
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From: Kim <kallmanparalegal@gmail.com>
To: WABlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:46 AM
Subject: [WABlist] Re: My thoughts
I plan to continue to play WAB as I always have. My main gaming group never bought into the 2.0 version which I was fine with as I did not have any problems with 1.5. I still have my 28mm Spartans, Vikings, EIR, HRE, Burgundians, HYW English and other armies that are in various stages of being primed and painted. I have considered picking up Hail Caesar and Pike and Shotte as I run games of WECW. (btw what is CoE?) and Fields of Glory was never going to get me to switch as I just do not like the DBX system.
As others have stated there have other game companies that have gone away and their games are still played. Yes you will see a diminishing of players over time given that new print runs will not be forth coming. I am looking forward to playing in the WECW tourney at Historicon and I still run convention games using WAB. I might switch to something else over time if it catches my attention but for now I will keep the flame going.
Kim
--- In WABlist@yahoogroups.com, "fabros1" <fabros1@...> wrote:
>
> we're moving over to warmaster historical for our club system but are also
> looking at war and conquest as a route to continue WAB.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilan Mitchell-Smith
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 1:40 AM
> To: WABlist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WABlist] My thoughts
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am bummed out about Warhammer Historical closing, but I have also just
> finished a really fun biblical WAB event (hosted by Harold), and I am in
> the middle of a multiple day Danes vs Saxons game with a member of my local
> group. Maybe now, like in the past, it is a bit early to call it over?
>
> I plan on playing WAB as much as I can, which includes tournaments at our
> three local cons, and I know a number of people who are planning on doing
> the same. For now, at least, I think we are OK, an there are still a lot
> of WAB gamers out there who seem to be eager for games.
>
> With that said, I also know that it is hard to cling to a system that is
> not supported, and so I wanted to weigh in on some of the options that
> Harold brought up.
>
> My favorite option right now is to keep WAB alive through local gaming and
> Convention events, such as tournaments. In order to aid in this, I think
> it would be great for Hardold to develop a "Wargaming Ancient Battles
> Playing Guide," to help new players learn a game that might get hard to
> find. Eventually, we might just all refer to the Wargaming Ancient Battles
> Guide instead of any previously-published materials.
>
> My second favorite option is to go with CoE or (maybe) War and Conquest
> (seems like it might be good, but I haven't read it yet). The most
> important thing, I think, is for the community (both our SoCal one and the
> larger one involved in this list) to stay connected. If that means all of
> us (or maybe even those of us who organize events at Cons) filling out a
> brief ballot for which system we would all be willing to switch to, then I
> would be happy to play something else. For me, the main things I like
> about WAB is that I know a bunch of people with the same basing, who know
> the rules, and who enjoy building lists according to a system that is
> generally accepted. If we could do this with any other system, then I
> would be happy to switch for most of the gaming that I do or organize.
>
> Ilan
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Harold H
> <haroldlhildebrand@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > We'll I'm sad that WH gave up. I put on the Pied Piper hat over the last
> > couple of years to keep people playing the system in Southern California
> > by
> > running various events and trying to generate interest. In February at the
> > local gaming convention, I had 13 players show up for an AoA 2.0
> > tournament, which I considered respectable. This weekend I ran a Chariot
> > Wars event and I had 6 players, but it did overlap with a WAB event up
> > north, so I was reasonably satisfied.
> >
> > But the truth is that there just isn't enough interest to keep it going
> > without some semblance of support from GW, even if it's mostly illusion.
> > So
> > I have to think hard on what the future might be. I'm going to throw out a
> > few options that I'm thinking about to see what comments people might
> > make.
> >
> > Ignore it; just keep playing and running events. There are more lists than
> > I'll ever possibly build armies for, and house rules can fix any problems
> > that are too terrible to live with. Start trying to "collect" WAB 2.0 and
> > supplements and then resell them to potential players hopefully at
> > reasonable prices. The torrent route is always there but does have a bit
> > of
> > a moral taint for me.
> >
> > Switch to one of the other three most likely rulesets. There is already a
> > bit of a following for COE in Southern California, and to a lesser degree
> > HC.
> >
> > Create a generic rewrite of WAB 2.0. I've often thought I could write a
> > more concise, maybe twenty five page version of WAB 2.0, in my own words.
> > I
> > don't think you can copy write the rules mechanisms, and I'm pretty sure
> > they're not patented, so as long as I stayed away from directly stealing
> > their format and wording I might be within the law. As we all know, GW
> > seems to have more lawyers than creative people, so it would probably have
> > to be a bit of an underground thing. Still I would love to be able to give
> > away a smallish PDF file that has what everybody needs. In my professional
> > world there's Linux that has some remarkable similarities to what I'm
> > talking about. I'm particularly attached to the idea of it being owned by
> > nobody but a community created endeavor.
> >
> > I've also considered writing some kind of "bridge" that would let you play
> > the current Fantasy Battles system with the WAB lists. This would be quite
> > a feat, but there are some strong motivations. The main recruiting ground
> > for WAB players for me, has always been FB players. I think that anybody
> > who is already an historical gamer has tried WAB or will never try WAB, so
> > that isn't a pool that has much viability. I actually like some of the
> > things about 8th edition, although I know that's not universal. But still
> > the idea of a supplement that a FB player could use and build and play
> > historical armies seems like a really good idea. To use another IT
> > metaphor, I wouldn't want to "fork" the current FB, like was done with the
> > original WAB. (in software development a "fork" is when you copy an
> > original set of source code and then modify it so you are no longer linked
> > to the original code, ie changes to the base code can't be integrated into
> > your new forked project) It would be best as a living extension that could
> > be upgraded as FB is constantly changed. One of the things that I think
> > really needs being done is to have a clearly defined point system, that
> > would encourage people to create their own Army lists. I know there was a
> > "methodology for this in WAB, but it's always been somewhat arcane and
> > shrouded. I'd like it to be open and part of the rules. Now once again I
> > think it's hard to handle situations where there are "meta" balancing
> > issues beyond the equation to determine the cost of an individual troop
> > type, but still it would be nice to have. All in all I think that creating
> > a FB supplelment would be the absolute best, but it is probably fraught
> > with compromises and danger.
> >
> > Stop playing ancients. An emotionally charged decision. I consider WAB my
> > main game, but I probably play less than a dozen games a year, where I
> > play
> > a like number of other miniatures games in a single month. I guess I could
> > add a wait and see clause to this statement, to see if there is another
> > discernable current or swell that I could than follow. "follow the
> > gourd,,,no the shoe,,follow the shoe!"
> >
> > Well anyway, I may not be playing WAB in the future, but my single based
> > inch tall friends aren't going anywhere. Oh as a bit of bravado, the
> > Chariot Wars event I organized was entirely with my own figures, since
> > it's
> > not a period that everybody has an army for. I broke up my Biblical forces
> > into eight roughly 1200 point armies. It was pretty cool to see them all
> > out on the table at once. The feeling it generated is what makes me not
> > want to give up.
> >
> > Harold Hildebrand
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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