Re: [BTSS] Re: How will the changes work?

Would somebody explain this whole Robin Cruddace thing for me? I'm pretty sure I've missed something.

As I understand how the system works, an I of 3 is appropriate for normal human beings, which the IG certainly are. The Sisters have always split the difference between Space Marines and IG: SM gear with IG stats, however they are have always been better shots, equivalent to IG Stormtroopers.

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Roland Fejes <faeyesh@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Roland Fejes <faeyesh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BTSS] Re: How will the changes work?
To: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 1:25 PM

well, that's alright for IG. They are an army of strict commnd structure, no
one makes a move without an order. And they don't have jetpacks...

The seraphim are dedicated fast attack force (notice the word: fast). They
certainly should be on I4.

My 2p

On 2 August 2011 17:34, <andrewm9@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I'd bet that it is from Robin actually. Robin Cruddace had everyone in
> Imperial Guard go down to Initiative 3 with the exception or Marbo and Kell.
> Why Kell has a good initative is anyone's guess since he has a powerfist.
> Ward had his Inquisitors move on Initiative 4 just all the independent
> characters in this one.
>
>
> ---- Roland Fejes <faeyesh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Did anyone notice the authors of the SOB WD codex? If my eyes weren't
> > cheating me then it is one Robin Cruddace and one Mat Ward. And that's
> where
> > my brains threw off the fan belt. Why would anyone in his right mind
> allow
> > that sisters-hating(and massacring)-ultrasmurf-fanboi to get anywhere
> near
> > to our codex?
> >
> > No wonder it sucks. That'd also explain the Seraphim Initiative change:
> No
> > one can be as fast as the smurfs.:P
> >
> > On 1 August 2011 22:04, pzbw7z <dgibson8@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > The number of faith points per game isn't a problem; yesterday I played
> a
> > > 2,500-point list that had eight faith points. The possibility of only
> one on
> > > a crucial turn is an issue.
> > >
> > > Uriah Jacobus will probably be very popular due to his re-roll and
> there
> > > may well be other things that aid the faith cause.
> > >
> > > The biggest problem is the Acts themselves; they just aren't very good.
> > > Light of the Emperor isn't going to be a big help, and it's the troop
> > > section that really determines whether a codex is any good or not.
> > >
> > > Ours is looking pretty weak, but we'll have to wait until September to
> know
> > > for sure.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <sean_e_graham@...>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Note that faith points are 1d6/turn generated in the movement
> phase(but
> > > not carried over to the next turn) Some of my 1500 point lists didn't
> even
> > > have 5 so 5-30 points in a five round game is a lot more exciting. I
> also
> > > like not having to depend on squad size as I often wanted an act of
> faith
> > > that the squad size would make really hard to roll.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com, Marc Reichardt <jack.wraith@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My thought is that even if Penitent Engines are cheap, they still
> > > > > won't be viable. They're too slow and, given 5th Ed, everyone comes
> > > > > prepared for parking lots, so one or two doses of melta fire will
> be
> > > > > the end of them as an effective unit. If they insist on keeping the
> AV
> > > > > low, I'm not sure how they would ever be effective.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree on the point about Seraphim. Jump troops are meant to
> engage
> > > > > in HtH. If they're less able than they used to be, they won't be
> > > > > useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a shame. I'm really enjoying my DE at the moment, but I would
> > > > > have jumped to use my Sisters if the new rules had been decent.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1d6/game for Faith? That smacks of Jervis ("Every Chaos Lord would
> > > > > love to use a weapon that has a 1 in 6 chance of wounding himself
> and
> > > > > eliminating his attacks for the round! That's Chaosy!") in about 10
> > > > > different ways, even though I know he's not involved directly in
> > > > > design anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:56 PM, pzbw7z <dgibson8@> wrote:
> > > > > > Fearless does confer to characters joining (not vice versa,
> > > curiously) fearless units, and stubborn characters also would confer
> > > stubborn to squads they join, but the unit would still be fearless.
> Stubborn
> > > would be irrelevant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The command squad might still be the best bet, relentless should
> be
> > > pretty good.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shield of Faith will be useful when the vehicle is not in cover
> just
> > > as your example has it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, without the extra movement, Penitent engines are
> > > probably not going to be much use. They apparently won't have to
> compete
> > > with Exorcists any more, so they might still get some love, if they are
> > > cheap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dominions will be popular I imagine, especially if the army gets
> > > something to help with reserve rolls.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even if Seraphim are 15 points as rumored, they are going to
> struggle
> > > to be useful, I think. Jump squads that suck in HtH are just silly, or
> so it
> > > seems to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are more stat buffs then nerfs, but the changes to faith
> and
> > > the absolute screwing of the Immolator are going to make for a very
> > > different army.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can easily imagine options and wargear that will make for very
> nice
> > > units; however, I can't really imagine how they are going to make
> Battle
> > > Sisters anything but mediocre. Mediocre troops will make for a mediocre
> > > army, irrespective of what's done with the rest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even if Battle Sisters are 8 points - which they won't be - they
> > > still will struggle to get anything done. Even if they get 3 specials
> and a
> > > heavy - which they won't, they will struggle to take advantage of them
> with
> > > just Rhinos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's hard to see how this army will be competitive. Mid-range
> > > shooting alone isn't really a viable strategy. But we will have to see
> what
> > > September brings before we can say for sure.
> > > > > >
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