Re: [BTSS] Re: How will the changes work?

I know people who won some tournaments with that codex. They were good players and long time Blood Angel players as well. I'm not saying they won a major tourney with them or anything but they are credible threats no matter who they against locally. Perhaps its awful compared to how some 5th edition codexes work but some peopel say that orks and space marines are awful in 5th edition too. I guess its all relative to your experience. My experiences about that WD codex say it was decent enough to win with even if it wasn't truly awesome.

My gut tells me this codex wil be lackluster, but decent as well. Its certainly doesn't have the feel of the old codex though. The unit names are the same but these don't look as good for the most part as they did before. For an entirely short ranged firepower army its my belief they cut donw on the survivability. We really will have to depend on Battle Conclaves and Repentia to survive I think. Dominions definitely got better.

I have some fear sthough about this new codex as I'm thinking that special weapons will be 1 or 2 per 5 even with the different units. That is Ward's thing in all of his marine codexes to date. Hopefully Immolators will only cost 40 points. If they are priced like Space Marine Razorbacks with a twin-linked heavy flamer then we've only lost stuff on them. You know Blood Angels only pay 55 points for a fast Razorback with a twin-linked heavy flamer and the Space Marines pay 65 points for a non fast one. I was really hoping that we would get a Land Raider in this codex so I could field that Battle Conclave in one and drive 12" deposit and then bring on the heretic killing. <Sigh> At least so I have soemthign to do with my LR with Inquisitorial doors on it.

Andrew

---- Thomas Kohler <shneeble@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know a few dedicated BA players who have played for a long time. They tried the WD codex. They said it was awful.
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> They're also the ones saying this one seems good.
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> From: "andrewm9@tampabay.rr.com" <andrewm9@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Roland Fejes <faeyesh@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [BTSS] Re: How will the changes work?
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> Lets be fair the old Blood Angels was decent. People talk about it like it was less than toilet paper, but the truth was that it could still compete even in 5th edition. It just wasn't very imaginative or terribly fun after the first few times to play. There was really only 1 build to work with. I played with it and against it and I won more often than I did with my Sisters. Sisters were my first army, but it took me some time to learn how to play them right. Like a year of a lot of losing.
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> Realisticaly this new Sisters' codex isn't as bad as some say in hth. Certain units perform (at least in a vacuum) well in hth. I'm not terribly revved up about it though. From the current perspective there seems to few builds to it. Penitent Engines still look like trash rules wise. Repentia will still have trouble in less numbers than 20 against most dedicated CC units. They certainly need a Preacher to be effective which might not last long since he is a crappy 3 toughness 1 wound models with a 4++ save. The otehr units I will wait to pass judgement until I see the other half.
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> I'm pessimistic, but I hope I am wrong in a lot of ways.
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> Andrew
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> --- Roland Fejes <faeyesh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > wow. And I was only taking a long shot...
> >
> > Future of SOB is dark and grim. no peace, there is only war.
> >
> > On 2 August 2011 20:13, Thomas Kohler <shneeble@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > It's true.
> > >
> > > Happened to the Blood Angels.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "faeyesh@gmail.com" <faeyesh@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > To: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:05 PM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [BTSS] Re: How will the changes work?
> > >
> > > Are you saying that they dumbed down all rules so when the new codex comes
> > > out with the exact same stats as in the 4th edition then all Sisters players
> > > will rejoice and say "look, a power boost over that crappy WD codex".
> > >
> > > How happy we'll be...
> > >
> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thomas Kohler <shneeble@yahoo.com>
> > > Sender: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:34:58
> > > To: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com<battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Reply-To: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [BTSS] Re: How will the changes work?
> > >
> > > That's more of a rules hampering than an army hampering really.
> > >
> > > Again, I see this as a stepping stone to a better codex. Since we don't
> > > sell well, I'm most certainly positive they'll give us a power boost, but
> > > how can you make that even more awesome?
> > >
> > > Start from a lot lower.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "andrewm9@tampabay.rr.com" <andrewm9@tampabay.rr.com>
> > > To: battle-sisters@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 11:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [BTSS] Re: How will the changes work?
> > >
> > > I agree whole heartedly. I just noting the possible source. The Sisters
> > > fast attack section in this dex is a joke. We have no units that move faster
> > > than 12" which is silly given that every other codex has units that move
> > > faster. We have no fast vehicles or bikes. IG has Valkyires. Vendettas,
> > > Hellhounds and their variants all of which cvan move 18" or ore. Space
> > > marines have a great diversity in FA choices with various bikes and speeders
> > > along with assault marines. Those are just Imperial choices. Also its
> > > intersting to note there are only 2 other choices in game with Hit and Run
> > > and an Initiative lower than 5; Deffkoptas and Tau Crisis suits with
> > > ejection seats. All others are 5 or more including a normal human by the
> > > name of Marbo. Sisters for an almost enitrley short range shooting army are
> > > very slow. We are the slowest army in game speed wise. Even Necrons can
> > > teleport across the board.
> > >
> > > ---- Roland Fejes <faeyesh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > well, that's alright for IG. They are an army of strict commnd structure,
> > > no
> > > > one makes a move without an order. And they don't have jetpacks...
> > > >
> > > > The seraphim are dedicated fast attack force (notice the word: fast).
> > > They
> > > > certainly should be on I4.
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> > > > My 2p
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